People need to drop the fantasy that the Green Party is vote splitting. The Green Party is the, “we hate Democrats”, vote. If it weren't for Jill Stein, they would be doing something else.
That only presumes that their votes would naturally belong to Democrats. More likely if Jill Stein weren't running, they might just stay home and not vote too. Or vote for the Libertarian candidate or whatever.
I don't think these people would naturally be the Democratic constituency if the Green Party wasn't taking their vote.
She’s such a kook, she apparently actually tried to launch a singing career, gibbering melodically (not really) about the environment. It’s out there somewhere. It’s even worse than it sounds … somehow.
You are not wrong about the pulling away of vote. I have a couple of friends pushing her as a viable candidate to upend the current system (which one has to say isn’t perfect and the current crop of candidates aren’t amazing but would they rather have Putin?) and definitely because of her pro Palestine stance (because apparently nothing else is going on in the world right now.
This is who the pro-Hamas crowd will vote for. With Israel (and antisemitism in the US) the only issues that matter to me this election, I am happy to see this crew throwing their votes away.
Voting for a third party candidate is always counterproductive. You can blame her for her irrational hatred, but if no one voted for her, she would be shouting into the void.
Thank you for this article. I live in NY State ( nowhere near NYC) and concluded some time ago that my vote in presidential elections is pointless, since NYC and environs control who gets our electoral votes. And I am politically homeless, unwilling to vote for Trump and appalled at the whole Dem/Kamala coup. I thought I’d just throw my vote to Stein but I was unaware of her stance on Israel and Palestine.
Guess I’ll have to start studying the other options.
That’s a tough one. I have serious concerns about Harris, not just her policies. I am appalled at the process by which she became the nominee, and by the way the media is promoting her, notwithstanding her abysmal “performance” as VP. As for Trump, he’s a loose cannon, his cabinet was like a revolving door, and his “advisors” are questionable. On the other hand, he didn’t do anything disastrous while in office. My biggest fear with him will be his reaction to the law-fare he was subjected to; he could create absolute chaos if he seeks to avenge his “persecution.” If someone held a gun to my head and said I’d have to choose, I suppose I’d … take the bullet?
Lizzie, for G-d's sake open your eyes. You may not like either candidate - but one is clearly mentally unhinged, and a terribly human being. The other may or may not be effective. In the 60's we said "If you are not part of the solution, ;you are part of the problem". By not voting - by saying you dont like either candidate - is - if I may say so - very naive. Politics is not like going to the grocery store, where you get everything you want. Its about getting a candidate, and supporting someone, who most closely allies with your principles, policies and values. Do you want a psycho traitor for president? a criminal misogynist? because that is who he is. Listen to Dr. Bandy X. Lee on youtube.
It doesn’t matter who I vote for. I live in upstate NY. 67% of the state’s population resides in the greater metropolitan NYC area. Whoever they vote for gets our electoral votes. The rest of the state could vote opposite, and it wouldn’t matter.
I’m not voting for who I like as a person. I’m not looking for moral guidance, or a hero. I have no fondness or respect for Trump. Nor do I have any for Harris. And there is something seriously wrong with Tim Walz.
Harris is not a solution to the threats to free speech and government violation of the 1st Amendment, which are my biggest concerns. Rather, she has stated she’d like to see more governor control over media. If we lose the 1st Amendment, we lose our republic. It’s as simple as that.
Harris is an empty suit. I don’t like the idea that for the past year or so, clearly an unelected someone (or a few someone’s) has been directing this government. Clearly Harris hasn’t been standing in for the President as his health failed. She did nothing. Yet she’s full of “ideas” on how to fix the mess we’re in.
You assume that anyone who would, or did, vote for her, would vote for a Democrat, instead of staying home and not voting at all. That’s a big assumption, especially this election.
Maybe so, but can you blame anyone with two such shitty parties, and two such shitty candidates? I don’t deny Trump is a neo-Hitler authoritarian, although he’s the symptom of the far left’s failure to listen to more reasonable middle class people who are fed up with their extremism and gaslighting too. However, unfortunately, Ms Harris is a neo-socialist/communist in the “let’s see how far left we can drag everyone down the drain” type of thing, like Venezuela and Argentina: price controls?!? OMG I hope you can’t ruin a country on that in only 4-8 years, but unfortunately I’m not sure. Yes, she’ll probably win, but if it wasn’t for the circumstances (and “The Donald” - seriously a personal train wreck to speak of oneself in the third person alone, if nothing else) but word salad lady can’t polish the outside of the cup enough for me to drink from it. As for any third party candidate the buffoonery seen in 2016 was enough to put anyone seriously off the entire lot of them, with or without an electoral college. I don’t think anyone casting a vote for a third candidate of any kind (Cornell West!?!! That bigot!?!) is a serious voter. You’re worrying about mouse turd choices when we should have all registered as independents, stopped contributing money to either party’s campaigns, gotten together to push them (remember “we are the people” in charge?) to pass legislation (election $$ issues, electoral votes and the processes for getting candidates on ballots across the country, and changing the Democrats and Republicans use of the courts to stymie candidates & voters, as well as freaking ethics and term limits, etc ) we collectively debated and designed and submitted to willing members of our state and federal representatives, and started a third party with an eye to making it truly viable in the future. Sorry for the run-on sentences. We have bigger problems than the usual way of thinking about politics suggests. Either candidate is so poor overall that we are in serious trouble either way without most people realizing it. I didn’t pay too much attention to the vice presidential debates, but I saw a good bit of it and my husband watched it all and summed the rest up for me. We would - if it were ONLY based on that one debate between VP’s and all the other information on them & presidential candidates up until now- we would elect Only JD Vance and Time Walz and it would be JD as president and Tim as VP and only by a hair. And only because neither party (nor anyone else it seems) can or will put up anything better than that. They spoke calmly, maturely to each other and even JD throughly impressed my very liberal (as in democrat-leaning libertarian) husband! That is the first time in a long time we have seen any politicians basically behave themselves and actually agree to come to a consensus on some vital things!! And I don’t think my son (23) has experienced that in his memorable lifetime. That’s saying something, sadly. So I hope for all of us we get what we need and quit picking specks out of each other’s eyes while pretending there isn’t a plank in ours, and therefore by default, everyone’s eyes here in the USA. 🇺🇸 GOD HELP US ALL
And she has received millions more votes for President, in primary and general elections, than has Kamala Harris. Of course, this hasn’t been hard since the grand total of votes received by Harris is zero, zip, nada.
LOL. If that is what you consider antisemitic, it just reinforces that you aren't Jewish. Jews disagree and criticize each other all the time. Go spread your goy nonsense elsewhere, please. Oops, was that anti-Christian of me?
I see that logic applied many times a day on Substack.
I was being ironic. Every criticism of someone who is Jewish, whether the person doing the criticizing is Jewish or not, isn’t antisemitic and any criticism of Israel isn’t antisemitic. Your lame anti-Goy comment is as absurd as throwing around blanket antisemitic accusations. Perhaps you’re not as liberal as advertised.
Just as you say Jews criticize each other all the time, Americans disagree with and criticize with each other all the time and any criticism of someone who is a culturally Italian doesn’t make one anti-Italian any more than criticism of someone who is culturally a Jew doesn’t that person anti-Jewish.
I’m ethnically Scandinavian but I don’t think you’re out to eliminate me if you criticize Sweden. We are both, I think, Americans and our loyalty and national identity is to the US, not Sweden or Israel. Many thousands of German-Americans fought tooth and nail against Germany in WWII.
If your synagogue is under threat I’ll gladly stand with you to defend it. That doesn’t mean I’ll be uncritical of Israel, AIPAC, etc when I see good reason for that. And you can have at it where criticism of Sweden is concerned.
She’s a fucking moron and venal too.
Agreed.
People need to drop the fantasy that the Green Party is vote splitting. The Green Party is the, “we hate Democrats”, vote. If it weren't for Jill Stein, they would be doing something else.
Well I mean, they hate Republicans too, they're just blissfully unaware about how supporting her benefits them.
That only presumes that their votes would naturally belong to Democrats. More likely if Jill Stein weren't running, they might just stay home and not vote too. Or vote for the Libertarian candidate or whatever.
I don't think these people would naturally be the Democratic constituency if the Green Party wasn't taking their vote.
Staying home almost always helps Republicans.
She’s such a kook, she apparently actually tried to launch a singing career, gibbering melodically (not really) about the environment. It’s out there somewhere. It’s even worse than it sounds … somehow.
Oh dear lord, the thought of hearing her sing makes me shudder!
You are not wrong about the pulling away of vote. I have a couple of friends pushing her as a viable candidate to upend the current system (which one has to say isn’t perfect and the current crop of candidates aren’t amazing but would they rather have Putin?) and definitely because of her pro Palestine stance (because apparently nothing else is going on in the world right now.
This is who the pro-Hamas crowd will vote for. With Israel (and antisemitism in the US) the only issues that matter to me this election, I am happy to see this crew throwing their votes away.
Do you think they know that Stein is Jewish? LOL
Voting for a third party candidate is always counterproductive. You can blame her for her irrational hatred, but if no one voted for her, she would be shouting into the void.
She definitely plays into a very specific slice of the low-information voter market
Another useful idiot.
Thank you for this article. I live in NY State ( nowhere near NYC) and concluded some time ago that my vote in presidential elections is pointless, since NYC and environs control who gets our electoral votes. And I am politically homeless, unwilling to vote for Trump and appalled at the whole Dem/Kamala coup. I thought I’d just throw my vote to Stein but I was unaware of her stance on Israel and Palestine.
Guess I’ll have to start studying the other options.
Whatever you do, do NOT give your vote to that witch. She’s social snake oil. If you’re truly this conflicted just leave the president box blank.
I will have to now. The only other candidate, Libertarian Party Chase Oliver, is “disqualified” from being on the ballot in NY. So blank it is!
Just curious: what would you do if you lived in a swing state?
That’s a tough one. I have serious concerns about Harris, not just her policies. I am appalled at the process by which she became the nominee, and by the way the media is promoting her, notwithstanding her abysmal “performance” as VP. As for Trump, he’s a loose cannon, his cabinet was like a revolving door, and his “advisors” are questionable. On the other hand, he didn’t do anything disastrous while in office. My biggest fear with him will be his reaction to the law-fare he was subjected to; he could create absolute chaos if he seeks to avenge his “persecution.” If someone held a gun to my head and said I’d have to choose, I suppose I’d … take the bullet?
Lizzie, for G-d's sake open your eyes. You may not like either candidate - but one is clearly mentally unhinged, and a terribly human being. The other may or may not be effective. In the 60's we said "If you are not part of the solution, ;you are part of the problem". By not voting - by saying you dont like either candidate - is - if I may say so - very naive. Politics is not like going to the grocery store, where you get everything you want. Its about getting a candidate, and supporting someone, who most closely allies with your principles, policies and values. Do you want a psycho traitor for president? a criminal misogynist? because that is who he is. Listen to Dr. Bandy X. Lee on youtube.
She lives in NY. Your pleas to her might mean something if she lived in a swing state, and I think Lizzie acknowledges that.
It doesn’t matter who I vote for. I live in upstate NY. 67% of the state’s population resides in the greater metropolitan NYC area. Whoever they vote for gets our electoral votes. The rest of the state could vote opposite, and it wouldn’t matter.
I’m not voting for who I like as a person. I’m not looking for moral guidance, or a hero. I have no fondness or respect for Trump. Nor do I have any for Harris. And there is something seriously wrong with Tim Walz.
Harris is not a solution to the threats to free speech and government violation of the 1st Amendment, which are my biggest concerns. Rather, she has stated she’d like to see more governor control over media. If we lose the 1st Amendment, we lose our republic. It’s as simple as that.
Harris is an empty suit. I don’t like the idea that for the past year or so, clearly an unelected someone (or a few someone’s) has been directing this government. Clearly Harris hasn’t been standing in for the President as his health failed. She did nothing. Yet she’s full of “ideas” on how to fix the mess we’re in.
I don’t like uncontrolled immigration.
Just reclaim your country for Gods sake….stop immigration for starters
Dr Jill Stein is the worst type of Jew - the self-hating Jew! Send her one of those special pagers!📟 🧨💣🧨💣🧨💣
You assume that anyone who would, or did, vote for her, would vote for a Democrat, instead of staying home and not voting at all. That’s a big assumption, especially this election.
I’m saying that whatever voter behavior that she inspires is harmful to Democrats. “Staying home” almost always benefits Republicans.
Maybe so, but can you blame anyone with two such shitty parties, and two such shitty candidates? I don’t deny Trump is a neo-Hitler authoritarian, although he’s the symptom of the far left’s failure to listen to more reasonable middle class people who are fed up with their extremism and gaslighting too. However, unfortunately, Ms Harris is a neo-socialist/communist in the “let’s see how far left we can drag everyone down the drain” type of thing, like Venezuela and Argentina: price controls?!? OMG I hope you can’t ruin a country on that in only 4-8 years, but unfortunately I’m not sure. Yes, she’ll probably win, but if it wasn’t for the circumstances (and “The Donald” - seriously a personal train wreck to speak of oneself in the third person alone, if nothing else) but word salad lady can’t polish the outside of the cup enough for me to drink from it. As for any third party candidate the buffoonery seen in 2016 was enough to put anyone seriously off the entire lot of them, with or without an electoral college. I don’t think anyone casting a vote for a third candidate of any kind (Cornell West!?!! That bigot!?!) is a serious voter. You’re worrying about mouse turd choices when we should have all registered as independents, stopped contributing money to either party’s campaigns, gotten together to push them (remember “we are the people” in charge?) to pass legislation (election $$ issues, electoral votes and the processes for getting candidates on ballots across the country, and changing the Democrats and Republicans use of the courts to stymie candidates & voters, as well as freaking ethics and term limits, etc ) we collectively debated and designed and submitted to willing members of our state and federal representatives, and started a third party with an eye to making it truly viable in the future. Sorry for the run-on sentences. We have bigger problems than the usual way of thinking about politics suggests. Either candidate is so poor overall that we are in serious trouble either way without most people realizing it. I didn’t pay too much attention to the vice presidential debates, but I saw a good bit of it and my husband watched it all and summed the rest up for me. We would - if it were ONLY based on that one debate between VP’s and all the other information on them & presidential candidates up until now- we would elect Only JD Vance and Time Walz and it would be JD as president and Tim as VP and only by a hair. And only because neither party (nor anyone else it seems) can or will put up anything better than that. They spoke calmly, maturely to each other and even JD throughly impressed my very liberal (as in democrat-leaning libertarian) husband! That is the first time in a long time we have seen any politicians basically behave themselves and actually agree to come to a consensus on some vital things!! And I don’t think my son (23) has experienced that in his memorable lifetime. That’s saying something, sadly. So I hope for all of us we get what we need and quit picking specks out of each other’s eyes while pretending there isn’t a plank in ours, and therefore by default, everyone’s eyes here in the USA. 🇺🇸 GOD HELP US ALL
I'll chip in.
She truly is awful.
Maybe rfk can give her some brain parasites
https://marlowe1.substack.com/p/jobs-chapters-6-8
This criticism of Stein is antisemitic.
And she has received millions more votes for President, in primary and general elections, than has Kamala Harris. Of course, this hasn’t been hard since the grand total of votes received by Harris is zero, zip, nada.
My criticism of Stein is antisemitic? AHAHA!!! Please, explain how. I want to laugh more.
She’s Jewish. You criticized her. Ergo it’s antisemitic.
You need catch up on the rules of Substack.
She’s also a magna cum laude Harvard graduate and a product of Harvard Medical School. Compare and contrast her intellect with that of Kamala Harris.
LOL. If that is what you consider antisemitic, it just reinforces that you aren't Jewish. Jews disagree and criticize each other all the time. Go spread your goy nonsense elsewhere, please. Oops, was that anti-Christian of me?
I see that logic applied many times a day on Substack.
I was being ironic. Every criticism of someone who is Jewish, whether the person doing the criticizing is Jewish or not, isn’t antisemitic and any criticism of Israel isn’t antisemitic. Your lame anti-Goy comment is as absurd as throwing around blanket antisemitic accusations. Perhaps you’re not as liberal as advertised.
Just as you say Jews criticize each other all the time, Americans disagree with and criticize with each other all the time and any criticism of someone who is a culturally Italian doesn’t make one anti-Italian any more than criticism of someone who is culturally a Jew doesn’t that person anti-Jewish.
I’m ethnically Scandinavian but I don’t think you’re out to eliminate me if you criticize Sweden. We are both, I think, Americans and our loyalty and national identity is to the US, not Sweden or Israel. Many thousands of German-Americans fought tooth and nail against Germany in WWII.
If your synagogue is under threat I’ll gladly stand with you to defend it. That doesn’t mean I’ll be uncritical of Israel, AIPAC, etc when I see good reason for that. And you can have at it where criticism of Sweden is concerned.